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The H1N1 Flu Shot Casualty List Grows!

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   Ma Sands, on November 10th, 2009 at 10:23 pm Said:

   You WOULD have t’ go ‘n’ make the fear course through me, wouldn’t ya! –my eldest daughter just informed me this afternoon that she just got the vaccine…..and I have been maintaining calm…..at least I thought so, until I just read your post….. ): She is s’posed to be due in mid-May….

   (Aw, no2liberals….y’know I ain’t blaming you……just got such a blow, and am flailing about wildly…..I’ll get re-looking-at-His-face in a minute here…..)

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     no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 12:43 am Said:

     So sorry Ma’, but I had to get this info out as soon as I came across it.
     I hope for the best for all the grand babies you have coming.

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   Sister B, on November 10th, 2009 at 11:01 pm Said:

   This is scaarrr-eey! I have been vacillating (not vaccinating on this matter for weeks! I have 3 of the criteria that make me “high-risk” for needing the h1n1 vaccine.

   I, too, am very suspicious of any kind of healthcare that the “government” is pushing down our throats….especially when it concerns our most vulnerable, the preborn.

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   Seedubya, on November 10th, 2009 at 11:18 pm Said:

   Stories such as this are good for my paranoia.

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   no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 12:44 am Said:

   I pleases to aim.
   

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   swampie, on November 11th, 2009 at 10:20 am Said:

   Former daughter-in-law’s sister got the virus in the last month of her pregnancy. The child was delivered by C-section while his 20-something mother suffered from pneumonia and then had a heart attack during the procedure. She’s off the vent and out of ICU now but is at a rehab facility (nursing home) and may be there for a year. She has brain damage, heart damage and may never fully recover; however, she IS one of the medical success stories because she is still alive. She has a 5-year-old son and a newborn that she has yet to see.

   If you are pregnant, get the vaccine.

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   swampie, on November 11th, 2009 at 10:30 am Said:

   The CDC says the vaccine is made the same way as all flu vaccines for decades, and should be just as safe. They generally cause mild reactions, such as arm soreness, low-grade fevers, cold-like symptoms and tiredness. The type of shots given to pregnant women and children are free of thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative that some women fear.
   

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     no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 2:08 pm Said:

     There is more info from the CDC.

     Will the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine contain thimerosal?
     The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines that FDA is licensing (approving) will be manufactured in several formulations. Some will come in multi-dose vials and will contain thimerosal as a preservative. Multi-dose vials of seasonal influenza vaccine also contain thimerosal to prevent potential contamination after the vial is opened.

     Some 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines will be available in single-dose units, which will not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative. In addition, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine, which is administered intranasally (through the nose), is produced in single-units and will not contain thimerosal.

     Meanwhile, from the Washington State Department of Health:

     dose or less) and some will not.
     Are there mercury-free vaccines for H1N1?
     Yes. There will be mercury-free H1N1 (swine flu) vaccines. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that about 15 percent of the total H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine available will be mercury-free, but it may not be available at all times. Since this is a small percent of the available vaccine, we cannot be sure that mercury-free vaccine will be available to all pregnant women and children under three.
     Can mercury limits in vaccines be suspended?
     Yes, the secretary of health can temporarily suspend Washington’s legal mercury limit for a vaccine for two reasons: if there is an outbreak of a vaccine-preventable disease or a shortage of vaccine available to protect the public health against vaccine-preventable disease. The H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine qualifies under both reasons.
     So, the limits have been suspended.

     Which begs the question, does your state have the same right to suspend the mercury levels?

     Here is a lengthy and interesting article.
     Pandemic bill allows health authorities to enter homes, detain without warrant .

     Florida – the Florida surgeon general suspended distribution permit requirements Florida statutes to allow wholesale distribution of Tamiflu and Relenza. The state has also distributed a series of blank quarantine order forms, including a voluntary home quarantine agreement, a quarantine to residence order, a quarantine to residence order (non-compliance), a quarantine to facility order, quarantine detention order, quarantine of facility order, building quarantine closure order and area quarantine closure order.

     Iowa – In addition to the facility quarantine order listed above, Iowa has also made available forms for voluntary home confinement, home quarantine and home isolation.

     Massachusetts – Massachusetts lists its own procedures for isolation and quarantine.

     North Carolina – The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services released a draft isolation order that would provide for imprisonment for up to two years and pretrial detention without bail for any citizen who fails to comply with an isolation order.

     Washington – Washington grants authority to local health officers to issue emergency detention orders causing citizens to be immediately and involuntarily isolated or quarantined for up to 10 days.

     In addition, governors and health commissioners in the following states have declared a state of emergency since April following concerns about the H1N1 virus: California, Florida, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New York, Ohio, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin.
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     She said World Health Organization doctors “immediately went into high gear” within days of identifying the new swine flu virus emerging out of Mexico and declared a public-health emergency. Now, Fischer says, the CDC is taking the opportunity to exercise unprecedented power.

     “Whenever the CDC now declares a public-health emergency, that declaration allows the Food and Drug Administration to permit emergency-use authorization for drug companies to fast-track creation of experimental drugs and vaccines that do not have to be tested as thoroughly as vaccines that go through the normal FDA-licensing process.

     “In this case, Congress responded to the public health emergency declaration by giving a group of drug companies $1 billion to fast-track experimental swine flu vaccines that may include whole, live or killed, or genetically engineered human and animal viruses, chemicals and potentially reactive oil-based adjuvants that manipulate the immune system to boost the vaccine’s potency. People who already have sensitive immune systems, such as those with allergy and autoimmune disorders, may be at special risk.”
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     Although White House science advisers have warned that up to 90,000 Americans might die from H1N1 during the coming flu season, the head of the CDC responded by telling the public to ignore such a high mortality estimate, saying the current H1N1 couldn’t kill that many people without mutating.

     Use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 resulted in 25 people suffering from severe paralysis and dying from respiratory failure after being injected with the vaccine – more than the number of lives claimed from the virus itself.

     Additionally, the vaccine is said to contain thimerosal, a preservative ingredient composed of mercury.

     The FDA states, “Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine.”

     Thimerosal has been linked to Guillain-Barre syndrome, or GBS – a serious disorder that occurs when the body’s immune system mistakenly attacks the nervous system and may result in death.

     In 1976, health officials found nearly 500 cases of GBS, and the vaccine was withdrawn 10 weeks after the link with GBS was suspected. Following the 1976 vaccination against swine flu in the U.S., a retrospective study found a likely eight-fold increase in the incidence of GBS.

     My advice, as unsolicited as any other, is avoid this vaccine at all costs, irrespective of any claims by the government of the at risk group.

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   swampie, on November 11th, 2009 at 4:33 pm Said:

   I’m not skeered. I’m going to get it when it is available.

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   swampie, on November 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pm Said:

   There have been 150 deaths in Florida so far from swine flu and lots of hospitalizations.

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     no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 6:15 pm Said:

     Swampie, they are calling any one with flu like symptoms a swine flu victim.
     There is no testing.
     I ain’t skeerednun either, of the flu, that’s why they can keep their propaganda machine and their guinea pig juice to themselves.

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   song_and_dance_man, on November 11th, 2009 at 8:26 pm Said:

   I have never gotten a flu shot and have only had the flu once. And that was over 20 years ago. However, my son contracted a flu about a month ago. He was better is just days. This latest flu warning concerns me not in the least.

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     no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 8:46 pm Said:

     Sadm, I got one flu shot in my life, and it made me so sick I wished death would hurry up.
     Never again.
     I’ve gotten sick a few times in my life, always got over it in a day or two, and have no idea what it was.
     The only concern I have about this latest flu scare is that the vaccines are being rushed out with minimal/no testing by government decree, and they can’t be sued.
     Fortunately for me and my family and friends, none of them have any interest in getting the vaccine.
     My grand babies are safe, and are being taught how to keep their hands clean, at home and at their school.

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       song_and_dance_man, on November 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pm Said:

       I’ve heard stories from acquaintances who had the same experience as you. They got sick from the immunization.
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    swampie, on November 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pm Said:

    Uh hunh, everybody that calls into the doc’s office with a sniffle they’re calling the flu. However, in actual deaths (and ICU patients), they’re checking.

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      no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pm Said:

      Not according to the NYSlimes piece I linked to a few weeks ago. They might be checking deaths, I hope so, and I hope they start checking tissue from miscarried babies, too.

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    swampie, on November 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pm Said:

    *sigh* One in eight known pregnancies is miscarried in the first trimester; the incidence is suspected to be more like 25% because many are lost before the mother knows she is pregnant.

    Considering that one out of eight pregnancies is going to end in miscarriage and that doctors are frantically trying to convince all pregnant women to get the vaccination because contracting the disease could be fatal to both mother and baby, I am sure that there will be incidences of miscarriage to vaccinated mothers. There would have been miscarriages anyway. Mothers frantically try to find an answer to why the fetus was miscarried. If they were vaccinated, they seize on that. If they had a vigorous round of sex, they blame that. If they gardened, slipped on ice, or bathed the dog, they will blame that.

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      no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 10:14 pm Said:

      I just googled “what percentage of pregnancies are miscarriages.”
      In order, the different links stated 15-20%, 30%, 10%, 50%, 10-20%, 31%, “it is difficult to quantify actual percentages of miscarriages,” 33% with only 1% after 20 weeks of gestation, and on and on and on and….
      Doesn’t sound like a lot of exacting science going on.
      Just like the experimental vaccines being rushed into use.

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        swampie, on November 11th, 2009 at 11:07 pm Said:

        The rate of miscarriage varies with the age of the expectant mother. The older the mother, the higher the chance of genetic anomalies that are inconsistent with life. Regardless, there are a shitload of miscarriages in the first trimester.
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        no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 11:57 pm Said:

        Would that include women who have had several children, and no history of miscarriages?
        I remain convinced this guinea pig juice is a cause.
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    swampie, on November 11th, 2009 at 10:02 pm Said:

    ATLANTA – Federal health officials now say that 4,000 or more Americans likely have died from swine flu — about four times the estimate they’ve been using.

    The new, higher figure was first reported by The New York Times. It includes deaths caused by complications related to swine flu, including pneumonia and bacterial infections. Until now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had conservatively put the U.S. swine flu death count at more than 1,000. Officials said this week they’re working on an even more accurate calculation.

    A rather impressive set of statistics considering that flu season is just now beginning.

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      no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 10:06 pm Said:

      If’n you are inclined to believe the source.

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        nuke, on November 11th, 2009 at 10:10 pm Said:

        spike tv had the survival guy on last nite. It was about the pandemic flu.

        http://www.spike.com/full-episode/pandemic/34531

        pretty good stuff.
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      Ma Sands, on November 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pm Said:

      @ swampie:

      Got a good “real life” friend, Jill, who has 7 youngsters, and is raising them the helath food, home schooling way…..yesterday, I got a request from a Facebook friend concerning her grown daughter:

      “My daughter has had the H1N1 flu now for two weeks….she ran such a high fever and convulsions one time during those weeks. Weakness has taken her over to the point where she has no strength to stand up. Here in Ohio they don’t seem to be helping anyone with it, so many are dying …’ ”

      So, swampie, I ran that past my friend Jill, and this is what she said (I thought it was relative to your statements …..

      “That poor mama. Sounds like the girl’s immune system is attacking itself. She needs balance and support. Two key things would be colostrum (in capsule form, from cows, health food store likely) and aloe vera (liquid or capsules). Plus vitamin D3 from sun or tablet. Also mega doses of garlic to fight bacterial infections like pneumonia or bronchitis.
      The nice folks at http://www.beeyoutiful.com could help with amounts, kinds, durations, etc.
      The nasty nature of this swine flu is that the body fights itself on overload. Docs give meds that make it worse (like Tamiflu) and people die. Sad sad sad…”

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    no2liberals, on November 11th, 2009 at 10:16 pm Said:

    I’ll check it out when it replays.
    I’ve watched quite a few episodes, and he gets a little…excitable.

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    Sparky, on November 12th, 2009 at 12:06 am Said:

    late to the party, but.
    Deniers !!! ///

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      no2liberals, on November 12th, 2009 at 6:09 am Said:

      Nah, just a disagreement.

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    swampie, on November 12th, 2009 at 9:45 pm Said:

    A friend of mine has a daughter in Europe with H1N1, now recovering. Poor girl was very sick.

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    no2liberals, on November 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm Said:

    a daughter in Europe with H1N1

    Is that based on government pronouncement or on actual lab tests?

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    no2liberals, on November 13th, 2009 at 7:48 am Said:

    How U.N. redefined ‘pandemic’ to heighten alarm over H1N1.

    Jefferson said there’s money to be made when a pandemic occurs.

    “The WHO and public health officials, virologists and the pharmaceutical companies. They’ve built this machine around the impending pandemic,” he said. “And there’s a lot of money involved, and influence, and careers, and entire institutions! And all it took was one of these influenza viruses to mutate to start the machine grinding.”

    He said he saw no difference in the definition between the swine flu and a normal flu epidemic. Jefferson told the magazine that there are hundreds of other viruses that can be deadly, but researchers aren’t as interested in those because the money isn’t as readily available.

    Teresa Forcades, a nun at the monastery of Sant Benet, in Montserrat-Barcelona, Spain, is a physician specializing in internal medicine who received her education at the State University of New York. She also earned a Ph.D. in public health from the University of Barcelona. Forcades addressed the WHO definition switch in a recent video circulating online.

    She noted that the H1N1 virus has a high infection rate but lower mortality rate than the annual seasonal flu virus.

    “How could WHO declare a pandemic, taking into account that this virus has a mortality rate lower than the yearly virus?” she asked. “Then how come there isn’t a pandemic every year if the yearly virus is worse than this new virus? How come we don’t declare a pandemic every year?”

    Forcades expressed concern that countries may subject citizens to mandatory vaccine orders against their will in circumstances where the WHO issues widespread pandemic alerts.

    Likewise, MIT doctoral student Peter Doshi argues in a Sept. 3 article published by the British Medical Journal that officials responded to the H1N1 outbreak as an “unfolding disaster.”

    “Measures were taken that in hindsight may be seen as alarmist, overly restrictive, or even unjustified,” he wrote. “The large sums of public money spent on pandemic preparedness underlined the seriousness of the threat, and often repeated phrases such as ‘not a question of IF a pandemic will happen, but WHEN’ characterized the next flu pandemic as a high probability, high consequence event.”

    However, Doshi said the 2009 “pandemic,” taken as a whole, bears little resemblance to the forecasted pandemic. According to today’s estimates from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, at least 22 million Americans have come down with H1N1 since April, 98,000 have been hospitalized and approximately 3,900 have died. In August, White House officials warned the virus could cause 30,000 to 90,000 deaths.

    But during an average U.S. winter, normal seasonal flu strains result in an average of 200,000 hospitalizations and 36,000 deaths – about 10 times the current swine-flu death rate reported by the CDC.

    As of Nov. 1, WHO reported the global H1N1 death toll at more than 6,000.

    Doshi noted that WHO declared a Phase 5 pandemic alert on April 29, only one week after news of the first outbreak.

    “Epidemiological information at this time was mixed, suggesting a severe disease in Mexico but mild everywhere else,” he wrote. “Actions were thus taken in an environment of high public attention and low scientific certainty.”

    Even with the claimed number of infections and deaths, I know of no one in my family and circle of friends, associates or colleagues, that have had, know anyone who has or had, or even a friend of a friend that has had this latest OOGAH-BOOGAH flu.

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      Sparky, on November 13th, 2009 at 7:39 pm Said:

      Yeah, I heard the pandemic word thrown out on the radio yesterday. The stats that followed did not compute. i agree pregnant mothers should not take this. Went to a house today where 4 members claimed to have swine flu this last week. Nothing serious from what I saw, all are recovering. Earlier this summer I had a 2 week bout of flu, that in retrospect I believe was swine flu, it was the secondary items that really took their toll, no evidence other than extreme symptoms. I am having my 7 year old vaccinated at school, the older 3 not, nor the wife or I.
      Everyones got to do what they think is best.

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        no2liberals, on November 13th, 2009 at 10:40 pm Said:

        I understand completely.
        My purpose in posting this was to inform, not advise, until Swampie showed up.