“You Know What? We’re Winning”

After we we speculated Monday night as to the identity of the true author of the Rockefeller-Snowe letter to ExxonMobil, I happened to look at the site-tracking meter which tells me a little bit about who happens drops by NN&V.

We had visitors.

Following the trail back to the origin of one particular visit, I found none other than environmentaldefense.org. Environmental Defense was named in the Taranto editorial as one of the organiztions aligned against the global warming “deniers”. They are a determined group. Indeed, their legislative point-person, Melissa Carey has boldly declared, “2007 is the year we need to start making law. “

“The special interests who have tried to prevent global warming action have used scare tactics, warning of huge economic costs. They don’t want Congress to understand that if we fight global warming the smart way – by setting a national cap on pollution and creating market incentives for industry to innovate – we not only cut emissions, but we give businesses the opportunity and flexibility to do it efficiently and at a long-term net cost savings.

“And you know what? We’re winning.”

Sounds a little bit like our letter-writer doesn’t she.

I find it interesting that the same people who are most relieved to hear new Sec-Def Gates say that “we are not winning” in Iraq are so excited about the prospects of claiming victory, and ramming home this legislation, the Climate Stewardship Act. And, although I half-jokingly referred to the religious fervor of the global warming enthusiastists as the “GAS Crowd” (Gaiaist Apopcalyptic Syndrome), it is their arrogance self-righteousness that they must not be questioned which makes me want to push back and question them. And not only their science, but the motives behind their apocalyptic conclusions as well.

Fred Krupp, GAS President, in a website blurb made this comment:

Like other Americans, we reviewed our priorities after the September 11 attacks on the United States. We concluded that our job is to preserve a world worth defending.

Unlike Mr. Krupp and the rest of the GAS Crowd, we also reviewed our priorities after the September 11 attacks on the United States, and concluded that our first job is to preserve life and liberty. Without these, who will be left to preserve the world? In their blind devotion to a cause, Krupp and the GAS Crowd endanger the very world they claim to want to preserve.

Much more eloquently stated by Lord Nigel Lawson, (from The American Thinker)

The irrationality and intolerance of Eco-fundamentalism, says Lawson, regards the “questioning of its mantras” as “a form of blasphemy.” And he concludes with an apocalyptic vision of his own – and one far more devastating in its consequences than Climate Change: “There is no greater threat to the people of this planet than the retreat from reason we see all around us today.”

h/tn2l

Other Blogfriends pounding the keyboards: Mick on Convenient Liberal Lies
Angel says global warming will not cancel Chanukkah, Doug has the cover of Pinch’s newest tabloid

Layla on the Relativity of Truth , Smith knows Pipes at MOR, Sigmund, Carl, and Alfred (they know everything)

RT wonders if he should have taken the blue pill , RW wonders aloud about the incoming head of the House Intel Comt

Darrell comments on what Iran offers to other Gulf States , OTB Has the Beltway Traffic Jam

65 Responses

  1. Well-well-well!
    So they took a moment from their busy schedule of blind ideological pursuit, to see what their skeptics are saying.
    Hey Melissa, get a clue bat or some batteries, or something. Your obsession with how we should live our lives, and your arrogance to think that man can destroy this planet, when five mass extinctions couldn’t, is beyond audience comprehension.
    Perhaps organizing efforts to stop volcanoes from spewing their sulphuric gases and particulates, forcing herd animals to abstain from flatulence, and protesting asteroid strikes on our globe, would be time better spent.
    That Lord Lawson, what a deep thinker, and a world class wordsmith.

  2. batteries, heh.

  3. Global warming, just another cause to extort money from the gullible.

  4. Yeah, global warming and socialized medicine are two of the big love fests of the progressive.

  5. Yup, it’s all about da’money.

    • We cannot, I cannot, and I will fight, fighting climate change on the backs of the poor. The weak, the infirm, the vulnerable, are all in the crosshairs of proposals put forward by climate change advocates.
    • Proposals that cap, ration or tax carbon energy and its waste will raise the cost of our most basic needs – heating, cooling, lighting – that no family, rich or poor, can do without. However, it will be the poor that will suffer most when heating bills go up in the Winter. Fixed income seniors will suffer most when air conditioning bills go up in the Summer. Families, especially blue-collar, middle class families will suffer most when their bread-winner loses their job.
    • These are the untold stories, the unreported stories that I challenge the media, and now the Committee, to tell. • Maybe we should not be surprised that the press is not talking about how current climate change proposals will hurt everyday people, because advocates surely are not talking about it.
    • It is no surprise that advocates do not want to talk about the severe human toll of their current proposals.
    • The Economist estimates the costs of adequate emissions controls at 1 to 5 percent of global GDP. That works out to between $440 billion and $2.2 trillion. Assuming America’s fair at 25% would cost us $100 to 500 billion per year.
    • They cannot tell us whether these nationwide cost figures will impose unbearable disproportionate regional harm – how they may spare the natural gas burning Northeast and West Coast but hit hard the coal burning Midwest.
    • They cannot tell us whether their plans will impose disproportionate harm on certain blue-collar workers – how they may spare California high-tech and New York finance but will hit hard middle-class workers dependent on power from coal and natural gas, manufacturing, chemical, fertilizer and automotive jobs.

    Senator Bond’s opening statement in the EPW hearing today.

  6. Exactly! The proponents of global warming are far more interested in personal enrichment than what will happen to the “poor” who will have to pony up far more money for food, heat, shelter, cooling, transportation, and electrical costs.

  7. This plan to clear the people out and let nature take its course has been out there a long time.

  8. Thus making those ordinary folks, now jobless and without the means to feed or shelter their families adequately, will then turn to their anti-capitalism, big government friends for some crumbs. They will be dependent on government, just as the socialist always wanted.

  9. Henh…Swampie, that treatise was written by a graduate student at Rutgers.
    Let me think for a moment, is Rutgers a hot bed of liberal thought..yes.

  10. Yes, I thought it was quite fitting that somebody from New Jersey was going to solve all the problems of the great plains.

  11. Rutgers had a good football team this year. I mean for the Big East.

  12. The idea of putting people in cities and returning the great plains to the bison has been put forth frequently; this is just the first publication of the idea that I’ve been able to find. There may be some preceding that which I have not yet run across.

  13. Thw Poppers state that the most likely areas for de-population would be those areas farthest from interstate highways.
    Now, what would be more expensive
    1) Buying up all of the private land and relocating untold thousands of families to the cities?
    or
    2) Building more interstate highways? :)

  14. Nuke, so did Michigan, and their president is a whacked out moonbat, willing to use the taxpayers funds to file a lawsuit against the voters of Michigan that passed a constitutional amendment banning reverse discrimination in public schools. What a beeyotch!
    Funny how some think we should depopulate an area inhabited by people they hold with such scorn.

  15. Oh, they have an answer for that little problem, nuke. It was pioneered by the infamous power broker of NY, Rober Moses. It’s called appropiation through condemnation.

  16. Sounds like ethnic cleansing

  17. So many are completely ignorant about animal behavior, silvaculture, and agriculture. They do not know about the interaction between herbivores and the environment. They protect wild horses beyond the carrying capacity of the land. They protect deer beyond the carrying capacity of the land and to the degredation of forests. Then they introduce predators, and protect them too beyond the capacity of the land. They do not know what happens when they protect mountain lions, for exammple, or bears and they lose their fear of humans. They do not know that to a carnivore, they’re just a source of protein that is really easy to catch.

  18. It is. That’s how Moses destroyed vibrant communities, but of course they weren’t his kind of people, and as he was quoted as saying, “if the means don’t justify the ends, what does?”

  19. And I completely distrust any organization that walks around hand-in-hand with the eco-terrorists.

  20. uhh…that should be”ends justify the means.”

    I hates me some eco-terrorists, I sho’do. My Lord, I do!

  21. Hey, y’all read that article in Business Week about the Iranian oil production dropping do to lack of maintenance, technology, and exploration and they’re gonna be in deep doo doo for exports in about 10 years? I know, I know, it IS Business Week and not a really credible publication, but still interesting nonetheless.

  22. Dang. DUE, not do.

  23. And speaking of global warming, the temp was supposed to get down to 25 tomorrow night; I immediately set off to Home Depot to buy some pipe insulation for the exposed PVC pipe in the horse and sheep barns, and dang if after I got back the forecast wasn’t changed to a low of 30. Sheesh. I don’t want to put it up until right before the freeze because I have some smartass livestock that likes to chew it off.

  24. Don’t worry, Swampie, their friends in Russia, China, NK, and Venezuela will help them out.
    Besides, they will have already unloaded their nuclear arsenal on all of their enemies by then, and the world demand for oil won’t be as great. And they’ll still be dropping messages down the well, as the Hojitah(sp?) are apt to do.

  25. Swampie, just spray some of that sour apple stuff on it, they won’t eat it.

  26. Dang!
    Almost eleven, and an end to fun time.
    /sure hope Melissa got some batteries

  27. I like BW. Subscribe to the weekly print version

  28. We’re leaving for Michigan on Friday. Forecasted high temp 8 degrees. Yuch

  29. Eight is the high?
    /how low can you go

  30. that’s way too cold for me

  31. n2l, check yer email

  32. That is some serious, take me back to Mississippi cold.
    Just be careful when you go out at night, especially if they have an open bar at the reception.
    We got down to 22 the other night, and late one night, a 71yoa gentleman was going to bed, and his wife said she was stepping outside for a smoke before bed. When he got up, she was not in bed, and he went looking…she died from hypothermia. Apparently she got in trouble and because of her age and health, she went into shock and died in the frigid cold. Shame.

  33. nuke, check yours.

  34. Dang. I don’t think I ever want to be that cold.

  35. Here’s a more in depth analysis of the Iran situation. http://www.twq.com/07winter/docs/07winter_hentov.pdf

  36. Whoops, I think I screwed that link up something fierce. Eyes are burning, probably need to back off the computer a bit.

  37. The link was to the Washington Quarterly, it was looking at different facets of Iran.

  38. Re that 71 year old man waking up and finding his wife outside froze to death, yeah, tell me about it. If I were to get in trouble out in the barn at night, ol’ SwampMan wouldn’t notice until morning, if he noticed it then.

  39. Henh…just noticed there is a spam filter counter.

    As for Iran, I read an interesting story over a month ago. The problem with waiting for the Iranians to revolt, is the middle and upper classes have it good, and aren’t motivated. I have kept hoping for the Iranian population to rise up against their tyrrants, but I must concede it isn’t going to happen.

  40. Nope. And the majority of the population doesn’t know any other way of life and you know what they say about better the devil you know.

  41. I found your Washington Qu link and freed it from the spam-trapper.

    n2l, check yer box aggin, please

  42. Does he make his own breakfast?

  43. Thanks, Nuke. Better get some work done, so goodnight.

  44. Night Swampie–see ya later

  45. Nah, he has (he tells me) oatmeal at school to microwave; I suspect he gets a sausage biscuit from Hardees.

  46. Yeah, then he might not notice.
    /night

  47. Well, cool, then!

  48. Nuke, just try and keep it together when you are around all those liberal yankees. Don’t let the champagne weaken your resolve not to take any of them to task.

  49. Now that was odd.

  50. what was odd?

  51. The alignment.

  52. I dunno. It looks OK to me. I checked IE and in Firefox.
    Must be a disturbance in the force.
    /see ya later

  53. See ya’nuke.
    It’s still doing it on my end. Your posts and number align, but mine don’t.
    /danged ol’innernut

  54. CHRISTMAS CAROLS FOR THE DISTURBED

    * 1. Schizophrenia — Do You Hear What I Hear?

    * 2. Multiple Personality Disorder — We Three Kings Disoriented Are

    * 3. Dementia — I Think I’ll be Home for Christmas

    * 4. Narcissistic — Hark the Herald Angels Sing About Me

    * 5. Manic – Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and Trees and Sheep…..

    * 6. Paranoid — Santa Claus is Coming to Town to Get Me

    * 7. Borderline Personality Disorder — Thoughts of Roasting on an Open Fire

    * 8. Personality Disorder — You Better Watch Out, I’m Gonna Cry, I’m Gonna Pout, Maybe I’ll Tell You Why

    * 9. Attention Deficit Disorder — Silent night, Holy oooh look at the Froggy – can I have a chocolate? Why is France so far away?

    * 10. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder — Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle,Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells,


  55. Few know that in early 2003 – a month or more before the Iraq invasion – President Bush was presented with two plans for post-war Iraq. The first, written by CIA Director George Tenet and Secretary of State Colin Powell, provided for a long occupation of Iraq and the nation-building that the president renounced in his 2000 campaign. The second, a Pentagon plan authored by Rumsfeld’s team, provided for the establishment of a provisional government before the invasion and American withdrawal within months of Saddam’s overthrow. The president, convinced by Powell that “if you break it, you own it”, chose the Powell-Tenet plan and ordered Rumsfeld to carry it out.

    A very nice epitaph for Donald Rumsfeld’s service as THE Secretary of Defense, the best ever in my view.

  56. Real Clear Politics is outstanding today! Chuckling and agreeing with Captain Obvious to the Rescue. When I really want to annoy SwampMan (who, me?) I restate the problem (oh, the truck won’t start?) and then recommend he fix it.

  57. You are some smart amigos and amigas here at Nuke’s place. You see through the Democrat/Socialist “soft power” grab. Watch for “carbon credits” — taxes you pay to Big Brother/Big Sis and big taxes on our vital energy companies. So people like Al Gore, Hillary Clinton and Obama can decide where energy companies should invest.

    It’s a new, smarter and friendlier form of Stalinisim.

  58. Yeah, ol’Barbara Boxer(up and ship her off) has already stated she is gonna get busy with her climate change agenda.
    As for Ms. Snowe, she’s gonna get her comeuppance, just you wait and see.

  59. Mick, you gotta check out this blog which gets annoyed at the whole global warming schtick (excerpt):

    This whole discussion about global warming is getting old. First, I really, really do have a lot more interesting things to do and share with you than WASTE any more time on this. Except for two issues, I’d turn away from this and never look back. But those two issues are overwhelmingly powerful and they are perhaps the reasons why I keep coming back to this.
    One is that the deep stupidity of the global warming alarmists is so profound and their ignorance of basic science is so incredibly deep that it is hard not to ridicule them. I know – one should feel pity for the stupid – except the stupid are trying to base actual policy and public law on their lack of anything even resembling actual science. And two – I despise hypocrites. Most of these big name green-weeneis are burning enough fossil fuels every day than most people do in a lifetime. And their pathetic excuse for this is that “they are the decision makers who are making a difference” so that the rest of us can go live poorer lives in order that they can live in excess. I’d give them my advice in this, but most of it is physiologically impossible.


  60. The big boogyman the green-weenies are referring to is, of course. carbon dioxide – a natural product of ALL combustion – including SUV’s, jets, forest fires AND living, breathing carbon based life forms. But wait – can there be anything worse for mother nature and her lesbian girlfriend Gaia than the e-vil carbon dioxide? Yes! Of course! It is methane gas – coming into the ring at TWENTY times more damaging to the environment in terms of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide and NOT a product of oxidative combustion!

  61. You want a good laugh, listen to NPR on Saturday mornings. Oh, the smug, green sheeple love to tell us how superior they are. I just bought a must-read book, The Skeptical Environmentalist, Measuring the Real State of the World.

    It’s a brilliant book than the Dems don’t want you to read, by Bjorn Lomborg.

  62. Yeah, well those natural people must have been what started the glaciers melting over North America.

  63. Hey Mick.
    Here’s a good Opinion Journal piece by Bjorn Lomborg, from last week, that you might like to read.
    Will Al Gore Melt?
    If not, why did he chicken out on an interview?

    Al Gore is on a mission. If he has his way, we could end up choosing a future, based on dubious claims, that could cost us, according to a U.N. estimate, $553 trillion over this century. Getting answers to hard questions is not an unreasonable expectation before we take his project seriously. It is crucial that we make the right decisions posed by the challenge of global warming. These are best achieved through open debate, and we invite him to take the time to answer our questions: We are ready to interview you any time, Mr. Gore–and anywhere.

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