The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.

Just got back from Breakfast – Rahm Emanual came on and was talking about the “failure in Iraq” and welcoming the new speaker, Nancy Pelosi – he was booed by the entire chow hall.

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/11/chow_hall_react.html
As for the insurgency then and now, it’s not apples and apples, but still shows me, that quitting when the goal is attainable, is unacceptable. Life is full of challenges, some more serious and difficult than others.
What I find most interesting, is how much the mufsidun and the Global Hirabah, wanted the same electoral outcome as the left.
That tells me more than your words ever could.
Just so you know, I have despised the anti-war types for decades. I was called a baby killer at LAX, after arriving home, from the evacuation of Saigon. I had just participated in Operation Babylift, where we were successful in evacuating @3000 orphaned and refugee children, the oldest were maybe six yoa. Do you see the irony? I had just risked my life, along with my bud’s, and had lost a very good friend in a plane crash, as he was sucked out at around 27,000 ft., to save all those babies lives. I and a friend, identified his body, so his wife wouldn’t have to, she had her hands full grieving and caring for their four young daughters. Not much to identify really, traveling at 32ft per sec-squared, at that altitude. It was his personal effects that we identified.
So when I hear someone taking a position against the efforts our troops are involved in, especially when the troops believe in what they are doing, I have a perspective you could never understand, and one that will never be altered by you. I believe our efforts in the GWOT can and have been adapted, and should continue to be adapted to the ever adapting and changing enemies. Cut and Run is not a plan, it’s a quitters approach, which will disgrace our nation, and military once again, while emboldening our enemies.
For what? Political gain for opportunist? *SPIT*

I believe that it is possible for two people to look at an identical set of causes and effects and draw two completely different good faith conclusions.

I don’t think,however, that you are that far from some of the conclusions that I have drawn from the behavior of people like John Kerry. Neither kerry nor any of the winter soldier participants gave sworn testimony before the house and senate. None of them. But, the fact that I’m telling you these things 35 years after the fact goes a long way toward explaining the myth of winter soldier “testimony” and the active participation of the media in perpetuating the myth. Kerry disgusts me.

Frankly, after listening to your opinions on a variety of subjects, and entertaining your questions likewise, it is my opinion that you would find it to be more difficult to reconcile your beliefs with the modern democrat party than with the republican party. You sound much more like a “classic liberal” in the John Kennedy mold than you do in the mold of the modern liberal democrat multicultural PC victimhood crapfest. If my presumption rings true with you, then you will find yourself in good company here.

Again, please feel free to come by any time. My email is listed in the sidebar.
And, it’s not certainly not necessary to stay on this thread. Quite acceptable to go off topic on the newer threads. We don’t get too bent out of shape over stuff like that, unless it comes from trolls, which you are not.
>nuke

Kerrys’ testimony. Actually, I have a real simple answer for this. I do not believe anyone in the political arena 100% unless they are under oath (and even then, I have my doubts).

As for Kerry, I got the feeling that he meant what he said. BUT, and this is important, IMO he was also lining himself up for a political career. And THAT’S where I don’t trust him. To much need for ‘theatrics’ to get noticed.

What are your thoughts on his statement to SCFR on 23 April, 1971?

As for Kerry being the defacto head of the Dems (or anyone who ran for president and failed). I do not agree with that. I don’t know of anyone who thought of Gore as the head of the Dems after 2000, and certainly I don’t know anyone who thought of George Bush Sr that way. Did you think of him that way (GB sr, not Gore).

You say that it’s a mistake to judge ‘W’ on his prosecution of the war based on the press (I’m paraphrasing, sorry). So, how do you judge his prosecution of the war? I, in general only use to press to get to the true documents they are writing about, because I want to read it myself (so far, the 9/11 report was the hardest thing I have ever had to read).

Enemy Combatants. That’s gonna be a long discussion that I, sadly, don’t have time for. If you’d like to discuss it, I’d be up for the challenge. But, I know I’m adding to the basement dwelling.

As for ‘W’ keeping Clarke, I’m not so sure that he would have done things differently. You feel he would. However, we’ll never know because, sadly, we can never turn that clock back.

I know that you’re not happy about the election result, but I will say this again. I’m glad that you are around. I know we don’t agree on a lot and that some here view me with distaste, but I sure as hell am happy that you are helping to keep this country from slipping into an apathetic state.
All the best,